TEST: Driving Enterprise Growth in a Niche Space

Jennifer Tomlinson-EVP QorusDocs
Jennifer Tomlinson
EVP, QorusDocs
Dos Lados has helped us to reimagine our marketing to be focused on conversion and performance, offering their years of experience to a startup that’s growing rapidly! I’d recommend them for SEO, PPC, website creation and advice on all things performance marketing and lead gen."

Let’s Talk About Marketing

  • What’s your current role and how long have you been doing marketing?

    I’m currently an EVP of Marketing at QorusDocs. I’ve been working in marketing for the last 25 years, a mix of start ups, and a large part spent in channel marketing at Microsoft. These last five years, leading Marketing at QorusDocs. QorusDocs offers B2B AI driven proposal management software to companies that offer a lot of services to their customers (like legal, AEC, professional services, tech services, etc.) We are in a category that has been growing over the past few years, especially with the advent of GenAI. We sell primarily to large enterprises across multiple services focused verticals and strive to keep marketing high-performing and lean.

  • What would you say is your favourite thing about marketing?

    To me, marketing is about the customer. I love the psychology of the customer, which means you need to know them, understand their use cases and then deliver on those needs. Ultimately, it’s about keeping the customer’s needs and experience in mind in every interaction, while being genuine and transparent. For our marketing team, this is the foundation of everything we do. Marketing needs to be professional and polished, regardless of the budget I have (and marketing does require a budget!). Being a Type A personality, I can’t help it.
    Then there’s the data part that I love—building out models that prove the value of marketing and the impact we have on our customers. Everything from funnel metrics to conversion to churn. From my Microsoft days, I’ve always compared options with expected ROI: If I had an additional budget, where would I put it? What would drive the best outcome? That’s the science part that I enjoy the most.

  • How do you determine what are your top marketing priorities/goals?

    Making sure that we hit company growth goals is of utmost importance. We work with enterprise organizations, which often means longer and more complex deal cycles frequently starting through inbound channels. I’m often asking if we have enough in the machine to hit our numbers and if we can forecast what will close based on what’s currently in the pipeline? Once we establish our goals, we break them down into what channels deliver the right types of opportunities, and we build out strategies for each channel to make sure we can reach our goals. And we always leave a little room for the “fun” stuff and out-of-the-box thinking.

    At the same time we also focus on the brand metrics, such as recognition, reputation growth, and analyst mentions that drive long-term trust.

  • What do you consider are your top challenges when it comes to demand gen?

    Driving demand in a niche category requires balancing the budget between demand generation and brand awareness with a precise focus on our ICP. We experimented with widening the funnel but ultimately learned to focus on customers with high lifetime value and lower churn.

    Some of our audiences can’t be reached via traditional SaaS methods – such as third-party review sites, google, LinkedIn, etc. They spend more time in community based forums and organizations (like law firms and professional services firms). In order to drive the volume of leads, we needed to be a part of these events and communities, building trust and recognition with thought leadership, sponsorships and participation. So hitting our pipeline goals in the short term and building out a long-term reputation with our ideal customer profile is what we have to balance daily.

  • Can you describe the ideal (but realistic) structure for a marketing team? What are your must-have/key roles?

    We are a tight-knit group, combining an in-house team focused on marketing operations, content, and product marketing with a number of specialized contractors. We work with Dos Lados on PPC/SEO and our website. Combining an in-house team with unique specialization in specific functions has helped us achieve a high level of expertise and make the most of our budget. Our team is truly global, which is a huge advantage! We can work asynchronously, with some projects progressing in different time zones while the US is offline. Additionally, our team's diversity and cultural perspectives are invaluable.

    If I had unlimited resources though, I’d always have the following roles on the team: data/ops specialist, product marketing, expert writer and content/event marketer, and social media and PR.

Let’s Talk About Agencies

  • How do you determine which marketing activities are managed in-house vs those outsourced?

    At Microsoft, I realized the value of external expertise. If the budget is limited I keep the key operational roles in house and hire experts for marketing initiatives that can be done as a fractional role. Also being a jack of all trades in marketing, I can fill the gaps if something needs to get done - even though I could do without writing a social post, or detailed event planning!

  • What green flags do you consider when looking for an agency?

    At this point in my career, I rely on my network and referrals from people I trust. I hardly ever put a job rec out to hire cold or work with agencies unless someone in my network recommends them. That’s my first green flag.

    Another green flag is when I work with an agency and I can feel they love what they do. Of course they specialize in the area that I need, but then their passion for that subject stands out. They truly care about my business as much as I do.

    And finally it’s the flexibility. The reality of high growth companies is that there are times when there are lots of projects and times when we have to cut and make budget decisions. An agency’s ability to expand hours to support additional projects, and being able to scale down, but still keeping the agency relationship going is a sign of a true partnership for me. I also make sure that I invest into that partnership by making introductions, connecting vendors and building stronger networks altogether.

  • What are some red flags that would make you reconsider working with an agency?

    I like when we work with people who can adjust/adapt, including agencies, and see beyond the immediate work to the bigger picture. Helping us to look forward and adapt and answer questions is really valuable. If this attitude and philosophy isn’t present, this is a red flag for me.

    Another thing to look for with agencies is “Do they truly understand your business?”. Understanding the dynamic and the grit of the startup grind, so they know the B2B sales cycle and have had some real world experience in a fast moving marketing team. Limiting engagements to long term commitments upfront, without proven success, all raise red flags for me.

    And finally the results - respecting or re-negotiating the time lines and providing quality of the deliverables is a value we hold, as well as asking “how it’s going” and checking in.

  • When engaging with an agency, what are your key expectations, and how do you measure success?

    Ultimately, it’s a mix of professionalism, timely deliverables and clear ability to showcase the impact we are driving. The best thing is when the deliverable is better than the brief I sent!

    With PR agencies, it’s changing a lot, but general marketing awareness and influence toward our goals is what I look for there. When it comes to digital strategies offered by companies like Dos Lados, it’s hard measures, like website health, paid advertising results, and punching above our belt in terms of visual quality of the website. What I also value is being able to strategize together when it comes to positioning the outcomes to different audiences - whether it’s leadership, board or other teams.

Let’s Talk About Dos Lados

  • When it comes to working with us, Dos Lados, can you describe the project/services we collaborated on?

    SO MANY THINGS! Initially it was Maria Oispova who introduced us, thank you Maria. It’s probably been my favorite long-term vendor relationship since getting to QorusDocs. We met our first writer through Dos Lados too. And, even though she has retired, we consider ourselves to be personal friends now.

    We initially worked with Dos Lados on a website overhaul and full rebranding project as well as paid search. Then our partnership grew to paid and eventually to organic. We work closely with the Dos Lados team to gauge the market and understand the benchmarks of how our performance compares to others.

    Vivi works as a true partner from initial strategy to staying connected on deliverables and even helping position results with the management.

  • What aspects of our partnership were most valuable to you, and what were some of the results you’ve seen?

    The website by far was the greatest achievement, and the PPC has been good too. I think in the beginning it took some learning to understand the industry targets and the right channels. Being in a narrow B2B space we started out by casting our net too wide and not getting the conversion results. But we are in a good space now with strong ICP and relevant, valuable content, and while we work with several ad channels, we really find LinkedIn to be the most rewarding.

    Our website is very professional and performs well – Dos Lados works directly with our UI/UX and designer, collaborating on ads, SEO improvements and more…which I’m very grateful for. We constantly work on technical SEO and website health, which has really helped us over the years.

  • What has been the most unexpected benefit of working with us?

    I’ve learned a lot about this space while working with Dos Lados. I never worked on PPC in my previous roles. I was more familiar with SEO, but here I got to see the results of applying the strategy and the fixes. Vivi is very knowledgeable about the optimal website page structures, guiding exactly towards the layouts that optimize conversions. So getting my hands on it was really fun. So overall, it was learning and applying the new strategies and then watching it work.

  • What advice do you wish you were given about marketing or working with agencies?

    Having started at Microsoft working with a multitude of agency vendors, I've always appreciated agencies for their specialized expertise that can give you a leg up. The key is ensuring that their expertise aligns with your specific needs, rather than being too general. It's also crucial to maintain control over your core positioning, rather than letting agencies take on too much.

    Also, I've learned to value and build diversity through my agency partnerships, working with people all over the world. This approach provides me with diverse points of view and a unique blend of skill sets. My favorite part is this virtual network of friends/talented marketers I’ve built over the years – we all pay in and extract favors out at times, which makes it really rewarding.

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